rain
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Post by rain on Aug 3, 2011 10:30:43 GMT -5
With all the talk about sanctioned softball in the state being Weak I thought a thread about what would be the best possible format for a softball tournament in Wisconsin would be appropriate. I'll start:
1.) 100% Payout 2.) Arc 6-12 called high or flat after it hits the ground 3.) 2-1 count plate and mat with a foul ball allowed but no dummy swing 4.) Hit your own 44/.375 ball 5.) Bracketed after 2 games and double elimination after that. 6.) 2 HR's per inning 7.) 15 run rule after 5 8.) ASA bats 9.) 4 games guaranteed 10.) No more than one Rozak per team
Ok everything except number 10 but I did see that as a tournament rule once at Lake Dubay! Too bad that field no longer exists with is giant log benches and being able to hit homeruns into the popples that hung over the field in left or the pine trees in right. Ah the good old days... Man the ball really flew there.
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Post by playmaker on Aug 3, 2011 10:53:08 GMT -5
I'll jump in, using the same basis as you...
1. 100% payout 2. 6-12 Arc, verbally called by umpire in the air (waiting til after it hits is asking for arguments badly) 3. 2-2 count, you get one foul. Any swing looking or swinging is a strike (no stupid dummy swing). Pitcher has a couple of balls to work with and still allows batters to shoot for the lines. 4. A black mat that covers the plate and is good sized is the zone. Cleared/wiped off between games to give a fresh surface making it easier to see balls/strikes. 5. 4 team pools, with three games in the pool for each team. Upper and lower double elimination bracket to follow based on results with the tiebreaker being runs allowed per inning. 6. 3 Home runs, then one up after that 7. 15 R after 4, 12 after 5 is the run rule. 8. Certified ASA bats that pass a speed test. 9. Umpires are provided 10. 44/400 balls are provided
I realize that maybe not all of those things are available and is based on time, fields, umps, etc but that is what I would go with and maybe will the rules to use for our next tourney
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Post by barrel21 on Aug 3, 2011 11:00:38 GMT -5
Gotta admit that I laughed when I saw #10.
Here's what I think.
1, 5, 6 and 8. Using the 6-12 height limit, but the high/flat has to be called early. You can only use the 2-0, 1-1, 0-2 brackets if there are 16 plus teams in my opinion though.
Have a great day everyone. Golden Woody this weekend....the perfect example of how to run a tourney!
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Post by bgraser12 on Aug 3, 2011 11:13:34 GMT -5
was wondering what association in softball still plays 6-12 arc anymore?
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shiek
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Post by shiek on Aug 3, 2011 12:41:58 GMT -5
i dont like the brackets tournaments just do regular double elimination....
i really like the new 52/300 ball...
i would say just less than 100% payout with umpires and ball provided by tournament director...
Arc 6-12 called high or flat after it hits the ground would work if umps were consistent
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Post by jake26 on Aug 3, 2011 13:24:14 GMT -5
Ok first off Brandon I agree with you. You guys don't want to travel out of state to play but want to make your own rules? Thanks for helping the guys that travel out. I dont get why people want to make the 2-2 rule thinking that they are magically some expert. Play ASA rules, 6-10 arc, .52 core 300 compression balls, asa bats, 1-1 count meaning you get a foul so lines are in play. The only things that should change tourney to tourney here is the bats (some tourneys may allow nsa bats), the balls, and homerun rules. If you take away foul balls you beg for the pitcher to get killed. I like the mats, after seeing the umps around here, they make the game more consistent. I also like your ideas about the round robin, etc. I dont always like the play 2 games and go into a 2-0, 1-1, 0-2 bracket. It makes the tournament director have to know who the good and bad teams are, for the better teams it makes for some god awful/not even fun games for the first two games. I say if you have 12 or less go with a round robin with brackets and take top four. If you have 12 or more do a straight double elim tourney, and if you have the facilities do a toilet bowl for the teams that go 0-2 that way everyone gets three games. Going along with shiek the new 52/300 balls makes homerun hitters be of value again, and people are not affraid to pitch anymore which is a good thing. those are good balls because if you hit it well it will fly, but it is not as forgiving as other balls.
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Post by playmaker on Aug 3, 2011 13:25:50 GMT -5
I thought this was just a theoretical post just to throw out ideas, not a longest paragraph contest.
Congrats though
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Post by playmaker on Aug 3, 2011 13:26:40 GMT -5
I will say though I haven't had any experience with the 52/300 but would like to try it out
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Post by bgraser12 on Aug 3, 2011 14:47:51 GMT -5
the 52/300 ball is excellent. My point was no where is it 6-12, not asa not nsa not isa not usssa, why are we hung up on playing it here? Softball has come to be a flatter pitch these days. Instead of running from it embrace it and work at becoming better with the flat pitching.
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Post by southside on Aug 3, 2011 16:04:14 GMT -5
If you play Higher arc (ie unlimited) there is no need to use those bouncy 52/300 balls . . . the more you flatten the pitching the more it turns into homerun derby. The higher the arc the more skill it takes to hit.
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Post by sburgy4 on Aug 3, 2011 16:16:04 GMT -5
Where is the unlimited arc Worlds? Nationals? States? NITs?
There aren't any, congrats you're hung up on a game that is played in exactly 3% of the Nation (google it).
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Post by playmaker on Aug 3, 2011 16:18:51 GMT -5
the 52/300 ball is excellent. My point was no where is it 6-12, not asa not nsa not isa not usssa, why are we hung up on playing it here? Softball has come to be a flatter pitch these days. Instead of running from it embrace it and work at becoming better with the flat pitching. Good point...I would actually arguing 6-14 if anything because I think 6-10 is too easy of a window to hit and it makes pitchers make an under hand pitch even easier to hit. Plus it adds more walks which I hate in a sport based on pitching. Thats I guess my argument against the 6-10 even though its becoming the norm.
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Post by bgraser12 on Aug 3, 2011 16:20:30 GMT -5
It takes a lot of skill to be able to hit backside when you can't hit a home run too. They have homerun rules so its not homerun derby.
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Post by southside on Aug 3, 2011 16:28:24 GMT -5
Where is the unlimited arc Worlds? Nationals? States? NITs? There aren't any, congrats you're hung up on a game that is played in exactly 3% of the Nation (google it). I was just making a point partner . . and I don't think you could argue anything I said. And I am really not to concerned with Worlds, Nationals, States or NITs . . . The highball tournament I played in the weekend of State had more teams then the State Tournament did . . . Just saying.
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Post by osiris on Aug 3, 2011 18:21:11 GMT -5
That might be the first ever shout out to Melvina I've seen on this forum. I like your style southside.
Additionally, you are right. There's really no argument in your points.
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