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Post by bgraser12 on Oct 19, 2011 13:37:15 GMT -5
and remember a tournament doesn't have to have 100% teams participating that are in the circuit (could have 2 teams only) Just that there are events that are qualifying for the championships
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Post by bgraser12 on Oct 19, 2011 13:52:21 GMT -5
After talk to many different people in the past 24 hours I think a good idea would be to have a A and B circuit Championship and point winner (assuming we get 12 teams minimum in each). The tournaments during the year would be the same and the points would be the same. When rosters are submitted for the championships you would only be allowed 2-3 C players which will be reviewed by the board... SO for example....
16 A Teams for Points 1$700 2$400 3$250 16 B Teams for points 1$700 2$400 3$250 A Circuit Championships 1$2500 2$1200 3$600 4$400 B Circuit Championships 1$1000 2$600 3$350 4$150
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Post by barrel21 on Oct 19, 2011 14:14:22 GMT -5
I think the idea of having two 'classes' is good. And at the end of the year, there would almost have to be two seperate championship weekends...one for the lower and one for the upper, giving the winner or top two teams from the lower the option of playing in the upper. Just throwing that out there for an option.
Hopefully there is enough interest to get this going....In my opinion, it would put some excitement back into the summer, and get some teams all over the state. Playing different teams and competition will only make all of the teams involved better..
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Post by hitmen3 on Oct 19, 2011 14:30:15 GMT -5
GREAT IDEA!!!! I hope this works out cuz it could be the bomb. I would like to see set rosters required for the whole season. Maybe 15 players per roster.
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Post by bgraser12 on Oct 19, 2011 14:37:31 GMT -5
GREAT IDEA!!!! I hope this works out cuz it could be the bomb. I would like to see set rosters required for the whole season. Maybe 15 players per roster. Unfortunately, I do not think rosters will be required during the course of the Circuit. Teams will be required to email who played with them but only a roster will be required for the WSC championships. Reason being is we are taking tournaments that already exsist and just using them as a platform. Making people stay strict on a roster for a entire year, especially around here seems to be a problem. You will not be able to play on Team A during the circuit and then play on team B in the WSC Championships, you would have had to played with them before. Its not the perfect answer but I think one that will make teams want to play and get more softball going in wi. In the future, possibly a roster could work. I also wont be at every event to police rosters, very difficult.
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Post by playa2 on Oct 19, 2011 15:57:06 GMT -5
You should have all these tourneys be hit your own .40 core 375 and winning team needs to have 2 ump's. Thats what most tourneys are now anyways and would keep costs down. I would rather have 2 softball players than 1 guy only there for the money he gets to ump. Also don't think the A bracket pay out should be double to the B when we both pay the same amount? How does that make sense??? Also doesn't matter what bat you swing cause every tourney I go to I see some retarted bats being swung so you should make it an NSA set up. As far as mid-level teams not wanting to play power teams the reason is most of these teams are 3 to 4 guys short of competing. Its easy to get guys to go play for KA,S-N-L, Venom, Burghardts, and Comatosa cause your teams people have heard of and your known for having good all around players. Do you think Seth or Travis Clark or people of that calibur is gonna come play with a mid-level team? And thats the difference. I would love to play in the power leauges or every tourney vs the best teams but I dont want to lose 70% of the time and pay money to do so. This messege was brought to you by playa2 and does not care if I miss spelled any words or forgot a . or , or !....holla
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Post by bgraser12 on Oct 19, 2011 16:04:02 GMT -5
playa2 you are missing the point here a bit. I do NOT control the tournaments that are set up by others. For instance if comotose's early bird is one of our tournaments I don't pay him, i'm not going to make him change his rules. Those are going to be set up however they want to run them. We are going to pay umpires at the championships. You may like 2 players umping and hit your own balls but most people complain about both them. As for it costing the same and paying out more, yeah of course it will because there has to be a incentive to play up. otherwise everyone would play the lower to win the money.
As far as playing power leagues and what not thats not for this thread. Did travis and seth just show up as awesome? NO they played on average teams and busted their A$$ to be what they are today. and before KA became any good we were a mid level team playing at wilson rec #1 on mondays. Just gotta keep working at it. This would give everyone the opportunity to continue to grow.
Thanks for the input!!
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Post by playmaker on Oct 19, 2011 18:32:57 GMT -5
Brandon,
I think it could be a good idea, might take a couple years to get gauge interest/get off the ground. I agree with some of the tournies you listed as well being qualifiers (KA, Comatose, Sparta) and hope they can be spread throughout the state. I am just wondering how you will split the division (which should be done to increase interest with some of the lower level teams). I personally think between, you, me, and several other board members we could probably do the split based on what we know/have seen just so we can keep sandbagging to a minimum. Also, it might be a good idea to have a mandatory bump up/down, say top 2/3 teams in the B move up and bottom 2/3 teams in A move down to B. Just throwing some stuff out there
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Post by sburgy4 on Oct 20, 2011 0:26:37 GMT -5
I appreciate being mentioned in same sentence as Travis.. but I'm not in the same league as him so lets be easy with that one lol.
Secondly, I agree it isn't fun losing most of your games (been there) and spending money to not win.. but any team in Milwaukee/SE Wisconsin is beatable. If you play up and challenge yourself and you watch the better teams/players around and pick up how they play the game I bet you become a better player and your team will get better.
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Post by fiver05 on Oct 20, 2011 7:22:36 GMT -5
I think its important to note that it will take an early commitment from a lot of teams to make this work. As most people on here think its a great idea, I am one of the too, it will take teams from all over to get this going. I know there are some teams in Eau Claire, Fondy, Sheboygan, Appleton, Beloit, and Point - it will take all to get on board. If teams from all of these areas commit then it will be easier to spread out the tournaments. I think what is being missed in this whole thing is TEAMS will improve as well as individuals. When you play with a consistant group of guys you learn tendancies, play to your role, and learn to win together. In my oppinion, this whole circut is a perfect way to have softball here take a step forward. If you look at some of the national tournies this year some of the local teams did very well, this will only help improve those results. I think it would be smart of managers of the teams that want to get in on this to say so and decide earlier rather than later. Otherwise, there will be people who put a lot of work in for nothing. Last time I checked a lot of us on here dont get payed to play, we love it and have fun playing, if there is a commitment to this I think it will make it more fun!
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Post by barrel21 on Oct 20, 2011 10:46:45 GMT -5
I can say, being a manager/player, that my team is in for this!! The competition aspect is what should draw a lot of teams to play. It has been stated already, that the only way to get better is to play better competition. To be competetive, some of the "mid-level" teams need to put in the work to get better. I think there are a lot of teams in the state that will get into this, making the summer that much better.
I like this idea, and am willing to help in any way to get this off the ground.
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Post by bgraser12 on Oct 20, 2011 10:59:04 GMT -5
Micah- There will be a mandatory bump from the lower division to the higher division depending on how many teams it is, it will be 2-3 teams that get bumped. Teams will be able to submit their application to the board for whichever division they want to be in, it will be reviewed and then placed into the proper division. When the rosters are submitted each week that you play it will be easy to see who is playing where. At the end of the year when the final roster is submitted and you have 3 C players or more you will be bumped to the Upper division. It wont matter because the points during the circuit aren't differentiated by upper and lower teams. IF you take 1st in a tourny it will be X point and if you take 10th it will be X points.
Would your firehouse team be interested???
I think this year we can get 16-24 teams to do this. Even its its mostly SE WI teams. Once people see how well we can run this and the spectacular championship event we put on word will spread.
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Post by bgraser12 on Oct 21, 2011 9:02:11 GMT -5
Working to get bylaws and rules done for the Circuit. We have also bought domain space for WSC we will have a dedicated website(hopeto have it up and running SOON). Each member team of the circuit will have a dedicated email address for emailing rosters and questions to the board. For the championships we will have bat testing. It will be one of the best put on events ever in this state. I hope to have that ppwk out early next week so we can get the word out even more.
Anymore thoughts ideas? Lots of views only a few people have given input. I'd like to hear everyones ideas. Would your team play? Like it? Hate it?
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Post by jeffkohnlein on Oct 21, 2011 9:14:09 GMT -5
we're in for the A division. this makes me an A player, right? now leave me alone while i simultaneously work and watch dvr'd shows/primetime on demand
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Post by gator on Oct 22, 2011 0:50:29 GMT -5
I think this would be a great idea providing everything is always done with the best interest of the game for the state in mind. For the teams trying to get better and play competitive ball, this will hopefully make current tournaments more competitive as well as create some new top of the line tournaments. Venom would deff be interested in not only playing it but also possibly hosting one of the tournaments. I believe there should deff be a board with members from a few different teams. This always keeps ideas fresh in my opinion. I have done a lot of talking with Brandon and everything sounds great. Now the hardest part is going to be to get the participation. Hopefully teams that are saying they would be interested, do end up participating as there will be a lot of work going into getting this started. The website will be located at www.wisconsinsoftballcircuit.comor www.wisoftballcircuit.comEither one will take you to the same place. Hopefully the website will be up and fully functional within a couple of weeks.
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