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Post by justwho on Jul 19, 2011 17:54:28 GMT -5
Look at it this way..
Brandon How many teams do you see playing our age period? Let along the younger age group? Leagues in general are having a hard time filling up.
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Post by bgraser12 on Jul 19, 2011 22:36:14 GMT -5
those are bad excuses...there are still teams playing...why are those teams not playing is the point of the thread. 10 teams in C 16 in D, you tell me there are only 26 teams in the state of wisconsin? come on. lets get teams up there.
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Post by sburgy4 on Jul 19, 2011 23:57:08 GMT -5
The power league in Milwaukee has dropped because there are usually 1-2 top tier teams that for the most part win week in and week out. I am sure that is the case with other leagues as well around the state. Most teams are beat before they even step on the field because of who they are playing against. Take our Shirtsandlogos (coaches) team who has been dominant the last 2 years in Milwaukee, we have lost twice to the same group of scrappy players twice now this year by 1 run each because they come out to play, they don't care who they are playing against they are just there to win.
In my opinion people don't play sanction because they're scared, simple as that. They feel like they can't win so they don't waste there time. If people grew a pair and actually played the game, they'd be surprised at teams they can beat and how well they can do. No team in this state pays there players to play, everyone can beat everyone on any given day.
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Post by jake26 on Jul 20, 2011 8:34:01 GMT -5
Seth your an idiot. People don't play because you hit piss missiles at them on purpose. Do you really think that short stop in cinci ever wants to play this game again? The problem with the game is you got too many guys like Seth and Robby who drop so much dick they scare people.
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Post by sburgy4 on Jul 20, 2011 9:00:47 GMT -5
How about the first basemen from kingpins that you had crossed up falling on his ass last Wednesday, or the pitchers who you almost decapitate, you're the true monster masher.
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Post by jeffkohnlein on Jul 20, 2011 10:15:36 GMT -5
here for the falatio
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Post by cwall282 on Jul 20, 2011 13:10:28 GMT -5
Just to reply to a couple comments on here about the ASA tourney. We are in Wausau and would like to play but have no idea what class we are, and have no way to find out what we are in.
You will never get teams from the north because north of Merrill they play high arc. Those teams are either too good for the state tourney(in there minds) or like my brother says everytime I ask him to play with us, "Groove pitch messes with my swing."
Another thing is the cost and the payout. I realize why the payout is for the first place team but it puts people off.
There is absolutly no advertising for the tourney. I live in Wausau, there should be fliers for this thing everywhere, since we are literally 30 minutes from Zenoff park. I Just happened acrossed it on this website.
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Post by tak2811 on Jul 20, 2011 13:10:58 GMT -5
You are correct, there are more than 26 teams playing in the state. With this thread, you still see reoccurring themes: The cost is an issue. Yeah people can call teams cheap for not wanting to pay $275, but for some that may be 2 to 3 tournaments. Granted it may be on the carnival tour, but from what I see, teams don't enter a tourny just to get it, most think that they have some chance of winning some payout. Cost only increases if you go to Nationals.
Payouts or lack of National assistance may never change. But teams do look at this. Sponsorship is one way to help this out, as pointed out. But there is enough of us on here that know that the leg work will not be done. Granted not all the MN Northstar series tournaments have big payouts, but you do get $$$, bats, travel vouchers, etc. Plus most of the $$$ is guaranteed. It is not going to several different aspects of the tournament (umps, balls, scorekeeper, city, etc)
Competition. Teams do look to see who is in a tourny to size it up. This ties into whether or not they decide to come maybe even more than cost (for some). This may also explain why teams don't come back to state each year. Coming there and going 0-2 after two beatdowns and being down early Sat afternoon is not worth the cost to those teams. Compare the teams there this year to last or even the year before that. Not alot of those 0-2 teams came back. Sanctioning of teams/players can also be included here.
One date to qualify. This has been an issue for several years. They have tried to accomodate Fireman's to allow teams to play in both, but lets face it, there has not been any significant improvement in numbers. Several qualifers at different dates and locations may help. Granted you still have the cost factor, but teams may not have to spend on gas, hotel, etc depending on whether it is.
It is good to see that there is concern regarding sactioned softball in WI, but this seems to fall on deaf ears, except for Jim, everytime someone raises a concern about softball in WI. Changes do need to be made but it takes more than the players to realize it. It may not be long before ASA C state ends up like B state in ASA.
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Post by bgraser12 on Jul 20, 2011 14:00:25 GMT -5
at some point these teams who play for $600-$800 each weekend have to want to show some sort of pride of being labeled "State Champion" i mean we are talking minimal tournaments that pay more than that each weekend. If ASA State had 24 teams it pay $400. I mean its nothing to write home about but its something and its the prestige of being the best. In neighboring states thats a huge thing. Around here we avoid good competition like its the plague. $275 for one weekend oh my god, thats so much money. Maybe take that $125 that you wanted to play in some local dump bar tourny and skip that weekend, keep the ladies happy in your life and combine that with another $125 for a tourny and you have it almost paid for. We can make excuses all we want but at some point its gonna be a matter of teams just stepping up and making the trip. Zenoff park is phenomenal place to play the umpiring was outstanding, they had announcers for every game. So I will agree, maybe the dishers need to do some more but they can't do more when teams refuse to show up too...Its a give and take system. I'd really like to see this thing grow.
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Post by tak2811 on Jul 20, 2011 14:16:29 GMT -5
I agree with you. I would also like to see this grow. Yes there are the great complexs to play. Point, Marshfield and River Falls/New Richmond area to name a few. We played state for 3 years, but now play U-Trip for the most part except for the occasional WI or MN ASA tourny. I am just pointing out what seems to be the concerns or issues that are brought up. It is difficult to change teams mindsets, but all you can do is present your side and listen to the responses. I know that it is a give and take, but this has been an issue for too long. Again, I am glad to see that you have stepped up to address an area of concern, but it was the same 5 years ago and at that time it was the B tournament.
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Post by tak2811 on Jul 20, 2011 14:23:13 GMT -5
Also the teams are there like you said. Look at what Gordie gets for the Marshfield MIT and that is good competition with teams from all over. I am afraid that being State Champ doesn't carry much weight these days.
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Post by Bubs18 on Jul 20, 2011 15:30:01 GMT -5
Sure would be nice to get a host site for the state tourney on the west central side of the state (River Falls, New Richmond, Chippewa Falls, Eau Claire area). Every year for the past 5 years our league (River Falls) sends at least 5 teams to state (Marshfield twice, Fond du Lac, and Stevens Point twice). This year our league sent 7 teams (The Vault, Coach's in C and Cold Beer, JCC, Johnnies/Clydes, Mikes Baytown, and Parkside in D). Also within a 20 mile radius were three other teams (Finish Line and Long Ball Bat Co from Hudson in D, Green Touch from New Richmond in C). That's 10 of the 26 teams respresenting the tourney.
The River Falls Days tourney and New Richmond Fun Fest tourney fell on the same weekend this year, July 8th - 10th. River Falls had 26 teams in the tourny between upper/lower bracket and New Richmond had over 40. Both could've had more teams but had to turn them away. I know that if the host site was closer to our area there would be several more teams from around here that go. River Falls/Eau Claire are college towns that could accomodate a state tourney (hotels, restraunts, etc) and New Richmond has hosted a state tourney in the past. I realize that it's not the central location so that everyone can drive and meet in the middle, but know quite a few more teams from around here would go if it was somewhere over here...
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Post by gordie on Jul 20, 2011 16:42:15 GMT -5
The city of Sheboygan leagues went ASA for slow pitch in 2010.
The city of Milwaukee leagues went ASA for slow pitch in 2011 and they have their own bat testing machine.
The city of Brookfield went ASA for slow pitch in 2009.
The above three can bid on ASA state tournaments as well anyone else.
We asked Sheboygan in 2010 if they wanted to bid on the state tournament and offered them after the fact a state tournament and at that time weren't interesteed.
Wilson Park as I understand it needs a lot of improvements in talking with guys that play USSSA conference. Perhaps the guys in the MIlwaukee area can respond to that.
Can someone start listing all the Class C teams in the state of Wisconsin for 2011 that qualify for ASA state. As above in one of the posts if you are not sanctioned we will sanction you and determine a classification for you. State C must be a league team otherwise you are State B. Each player must have played on that team four or more games on or before July 1st for that that team on that league night. Teams that don't team that the following year try to work things out so that does happen.
Reminder get your checks in the MIT.
The most teams we ever had in last 15 years in State D was 42 in Marshfield several years ago.
How many B teams are there in the State of Wisconsin.
Formerly Wisconsin Worth now Wheelhouse that plays in the USSSA conference out of Eau Claire may or may not be elgible because more than half your players must residences of Wisconsin.
ECC out of Rapids went 2-2 at the Firement's. They lost the first one 32-12 in which the score 20 or 22 runs on them in the first inning and then won the next two and lost the early Saturday night game to the Viessman team. WHO plays for the other Viessman/BBS team that also played the Firemen's. Ryan Parkers team T'13 out of Omaha, Nebraska lost their first game by one and then won six or seven straight before losing out. They placed about 5th out of 32 teams. Both teams had a wonderful time and drank a lot of water. Ryan was on the road around the 5 pm hour. Things went longer than expected at the Firemen's so some teams didn't get out of their until 8:30 or 9:30 pm on Sunday. I have done that a number of times and get back to Marshfield early Monday morning.
At Rozellville After Hours I was undefeated and both teams decided not to play the championship game because of the heat or play the if game as well. They had to get extra water a Rozellville.
I hope every had fun this past weekend despite the warm weather.
I have not spoken to Jim Valentine recently and I have nothing but praise for Jim.
If you playing ball tonight please drink plenty of water and that includes the umpires as well.
Thank you Stevens Point for a great ASA State tournament. I will see you guys soon.
Gordie
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Post by gordie on Jul 20, 2011 17:00:46 GMT -5
When listing the state C teams in Wisconsin for 2011 please includes full name and city.
The Firemen's had approximately 160 teams this year. Three men's tournament, two women's (tier II and tier III - no tier I this year and a coed tournament.
ECC of Wisconsin Rapids and T'13 played in the Tier I one men's comprised of the best teams.
Gordie
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Post by gordie on Jul 20, 2011 18:45:28 GMT -5
Without listing the state C teams at ASA state Multi Stack out of Sparta would be an ASA State C team.
A state c cann't have more than B players, no A or restricted players. Go to the ASA website to verify every player on the roster. If you plan on putting a state tournament be prepared to use the ASA website extensively for each player and look at Michigan, Illinois, Iowa, and Minnesota classifications as well. There is massive work to put on a state tournament.
A state C team must be willing call themselves C as well or would they opt to see if they play D.
If we call their league director would we get the answer we need that they played four or more games in that league by July 1.
It is another thing to actually declare yourself C.
One team for state this year appealed a player to ASAfor State C or D and it failed. They were not allowed to use that player
Gordie
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